You’ll notice there are two names on this week’s podcast. We’ve never done that before, not for any particular reason. What also makes this week’s podcast unique is that producer and songwriter Dave Okumu is the only person we’ve ever invited back on the podcast, he was the very first guest on Midnight Chats back in February 2016.

It wasn’t random that we put Rosie and Dave together. They’ve been mates for a number of years and co-wrote Lowe’s forthcoming second album YU (out 10 May). There’s talk of how they first met and how they managed to snag the illusive Jay Electronica to be involved. Plus, outside of the music, Dave makes fresh fatherhood come across like a dream while Rosie’s studies in psychotherapy sound as challenging as they are rewarding.