But retaining that sense of being a live band gets a little trickier when it comes to creating an album with a techno backbone. Were there any failures in that process?
Lee: Definitely. There have been so many tracks that have fallen away. For instance, when we started doing ‘Dilate’, we were doing a techno covers EP that basically paid homage to a few tracks we just loved. It didn’t quite turn out how we wanted it to but the failures were just trying to figure out how it all worked, and subsequently, a load of tracks just disappeared into the void…
Pete: …I don’t know whether I’d describe anything as a failure because all the stumbling blocks help us along the way. All the tracks that Lee mentioned fell by the wayside, it’s not because they weren’t good, it was because there’s always so much material we’re working on, if one of us doesn’t get on board with it, we tend to drift towards the stuff everyone’s behind.
Knowing there was this fork in the road right after ‘Helioscope’, how do you look back at those albums now? Were they all a step towards this new record?
Pete: For me, the first record is a document of four lads in a room, writing together whereas I think the second record is a bit more upbeat and optimistic. That reflects the freedom Lee found in the technology allowing him to multi-track and demo stuff more and has an energy that comes with experimenting with new ways of writing. The third one, represents starting to find the limitations of that method, and the solitude of spending a lot of time in a studio over long periods of time writing. This record represents finding a new method of Lee working on his own but then having more input from everyone. I think every record will be a reflection of how it was written and where Lee was in the process and, to me, that comes across in the music.
Lee: I really miss that time we had together as a band with the safety and the knowledge we can get together in a room and feck about—that’s really important in terms of our longevity. I love synthesizers and messing around with sounds but I do feel isolated too. I’m hoping that this record is successful enough that it allows us to be in a room together and write like we used to write. It’d be great to have the best of both worlds!
How many tracks were you working on (in various states) during the process for ‘The Great Distraction’?
Lee: I think there was around 100…
Pete: Mate, we were one or two off 700 hundred! It was overwhelming! There was a point a few Christmases ago where there was a big move towards picking the tracks we wanted to forge ahead with, rather than the more embryonic ones. We asked Lee to gather everything and when he sent them all, there was so much stuff it was anxiety-inducing. Lee’s already started sending stuff around for the next record, so there’s ideas in the ether for us all to work on, give opinions on and mess around with. It doesn’t ever stop.
Lee: I thought I’d written the record a year and a half ago but boy, was I wrong!
So it’s taken longer than you thought?
Pete: It’s definitely taken longer than we thought. We put aside a six-week period last March where we cleared some time to work through a lot of demos, planned to hammer through it over a few weeks and we’d have it finished. We got some great work done in that time but expecting to finish it was wildly ambitious. At the same time, when Lee said earlier he thought he had the record written a year and a half ago, there was a written record at the end of that period but it wasn’t a record we all agreed on, so we kept the best tracks from that and continually added new tracks over the past year until we got a record all five of us wanted to put out.
Do you feel that this album is a better representation of your electronic ambition than ‘Dilate’?
Lee: Yes and no. I think we’re just trying to find our sound and we’re always keeping an eye on the live aspect of what makes us interesting as a band. I think part of it is logistical because if you truly want to play electronic music live, you need tons of gear, which we just don’t have. At the same time, we could just keep going but you have to draw a line. If it can be done live, we’ll always do it live, even if it’s really hard. When we were doing more of the guitar stuff, it was pretty complex, so that musicianship definitely enables us to perform a lot of the new music. On the face of it, it looks quite simple but there’s so much going on, and you have to think of five, six things at once — it’s just not just running through patterns or chords, there’s extra dimensions to everything; all these little elements in play.
Pete: ‘Dilate’ was still very much using our old palette of sounds, so it was us trying to make more electronic dance music with the instruments we’d toured for years playing more post-rock. In the past couple of years we’ve invested a lot in the equipment, and ourselves, to find the right noises and sounds. The palette we have at this point compared to the palette we had a few years ago on ‘Dilate’ I think is exponentially bigger—that leads to more interesting sounds.
Retaining the live band feel is pretty important to you—do you get a sense of satisfaction in making it work despite some of the technical challenges?
Pete: No! Because it has gone wrong (laughs). I think it can go wrong in one way where the music goes a bit awry, and you have to come up with stuff on the fly and it takes on a life of its own but that’s the risk factor of live music. On the other hand, using some of the equipment we’ve had over the last few years, it’s gone so wrong to the point that the whole show has just collapsed. We were performing with a pretty bedraggled electronic music rig that wasn’t fit for purpose and we’d tied it in knots to get every ounce of functionality out of it. We’ve been able to get shot of the old equipment and get some up-to-date stuff, because that kind of risk makes me nervous—it doesn’t help.
Lee: We’ve been playing together so long that we’re used to reading each others’ signals and cope with the situation but when technology fails, it’s totally out of your hands, and you can’t defeat that.
Tim: When we turned up to play techno nights, some of them worked and some of them didn’t. When you have a live drum kit in a club, it changes the dynamic so our approach to a 7pm slot at an English festival is different to a 2am set in a Dutch techno club. We’ll be trying to do both!